Hi Danny,
I'm glad to have you back. See below for my response.
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:44:20 -0000
"dannyjones183" <dannyjones183_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm Danny A. Jones and I've returned from a long absence. I'm reading
> through messages from the start of the year, so I may be replying to
> issues that have already been solved.
That is the case for this message.
> If so, then please skip over my
> replies until I'm curent.
>
> I recently wrote an updated FreCell solver based on a request from
> Michael Keller. He refers to your 2-freecell scenario as 8x2e0. Here
I realise 8 is the number of columns and 2 is the number of freecells, but what
does e0 mean?
> is my solver's solution to the two puzzles in question. It uses what
> I call "WKR" automoves -- 5D on 4D in home cell when 3C and 3S
> present in their home cells.
Is this the so-called Raymond's prune? According to a previous post by Dr.
Tom Holroyd, this results in some solvable deals that are not solved.
> It also uses full-power supermoves.
>
> #00017760 Attempt: 1 8x2e0 (WKR Super) 65 moves
> 64. 56. 37. 2a. 2h. 2h. 21. 2h. ah. 26.
> 3a. 3b. 36. 35. a6. 53_ 63_ 43_ 2a. 42.
> 43. 24. b2. 52. 5b. 53. 83. 85. 81. 82.
> 52. 87. b8. 45_ 42. 48. 75_ 71. 12_ 84_
> 8b. 17. 18. 17. 15. 12. b7. 47_ 64_ 6b.
> 16. b1. 41_ 64_ 6b. 3h. 2h. 76_ 53_ 78.
> 5h. 2h. 82. 62_ 74_
> ~~~~~
>
> #00017880 Attempt: 1 8x2e0 (WKR Super) 45 moves
> 5a. 15. 51_ 54. 2b. 23. 53. 23. 63. 6h.
> ah. 7a. 8h. 52. b5. 65. 45_ 6b. 4h. 74.
> b6. 76_ 7h. 16_ 47_ 47. 47. a7. 1a. 1b.
> 15. 16. 45. 17. 46. b7. 31_ 3b. 34. 35.
> 35. 34. 23_ 81. 8a.
> ~~~~~
Well, I have for a long time expressed my distaste of the so-called "standard
notation" and here apparently, you have added "." and "_" which I'm not getting
to the bottom of.
Anyway, we already have solutions for these two 2-freecell deals.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
>
>
> --- In fc-solve-discuss_at_yahoogroups.com, Shlomi Fish <shlomif_at_...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > can anyone give a 2-Freecell solution for the #17760 and #17880
> > deals? For reference, I'm talking about (the game columns are
> > placed in lines):
> >
> > # MS Freecell Deal No. 17760
> > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> > QS 5D 4H 8C 3D 9D AC
> > 3H JC 3C 8S 4S 3S 4C
> > KS JS TH KD 9S 6D 2S
> > 5H 9H 9C 6H 8D AD 8H
> > 5C 6S QC QH 2C QD
> > 2D 2H KH KC AS 7C
> > TD AH JH TC 6C 7S
> > 7H 5S JD 7D TS 4D
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >
> > # MS Freecell Deal No. 17880
> > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> > 6S 5C 9H 5H 2D 8H 6H
> > 3D 7C 2C 2S TH QD KD
> > 3H AD QH 6C 7H KS KC
> > 4D 8S 8C 9D JH 4S JD
> > 6D AC JC TS 7S 3C
> > 2H JS QC 3S AS 9S
> > 5S TD 9C TC AH 7D
> > QS 4H KH 8D 5D 4C
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >
> > The issue is that Danny A. Jones' solver reported them as solvable,
> > but they end up as intractable in all the solvers I tried
> > (fc-solve, my DBM Freecell solver, and patsolve claims to run out
> > memory when trying to solve #17760 even though it consumed less
> > than 3% of my machine's RAM.). I've tried to solve deal #17760
> > manually, by patching PySol Fan Club Edition (I intend to share the
> > patches), and by getting some help from fc-solve for detecting
> > dead-ends moves, but I am unable to solve it.
> >
> > So any solutions to these deals (or proofs that they cannot be
> > solved) would be appreciated.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Shlomi Fish
> >
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